jon: jim, what is your counter argument? >> well, i mean i think that the media, if they really wanted to sell papers and get clicks and get eyeballs in the nielsens they would have pursued a lot of the obama scandals. >> scandals. >> david plouth getting a hundred million dollars before a month he goes to the white house. look at this debate now. i think what you really saw there is the media's adoration of president obama taking a deep fall. it was a crushing moment for them to see the president do so badly in the polls, and the polls showed by as much as 4-1 the american people felt that governor romney had won that debate and i think the media were sort of scrambling there for a couple of days to kind of find their footing, however, give them credit they always find way to get back in the game, and so the two lines that you're going to see now going forward from about friday on were one, romney lied his way into the debates, that is a popular thin. ed schultz was saying it on the today show last week, and the second one